"Buk" stumbling block: Russia said that the missile system that shot down the "Boeing" belonged to Ukraine. How the Buk was transported. Published the results of the investigation into the crash of "Boeing" near Donetsk On the other side of the front
They say they have been waiting for the promised three years, but here the fourth is running out. And suddenly a powerful material evidence appears: a part of a rocket with a serial number!
"The missile engine's casing shows the number 9 d 1318869032. The JIT-investigation up to now indicates the following meaning of this number. 9d 131 relates to the number of the missile engine of the 9M38 type and/or 9M38M1 type. The number 8 is the manufacturer's code, namely: the Dolgoprudny Research and Manufacturing Enterprise in Moscow.The number 86 indicates the year of production, namely 1986. And the number 9032 is the unique identification number of this specific missile engine.
The JIT has established that this involves a missile of the 9M38 Buk-series. To what extent both parts belong to the missile that was launched by the BUK TELAR of the 53rd brigade can, as yet, not be said with certainty.
The rocket motor case shows the number 9d 1318869032. The Jit investigation still points to the next value of this number. 9d 131 is one of the rocket engines of the type9M38 and/or 9M38M1. Number 8-Code of the manufacturer, namely: Research and Production Enterprise "Dolgoprudny" in Moscow. Number 86 indicates the year of production, namely 1986. And number 9032 is unique an identification number this particular rocket engine.
The JIT determined that this includes the 9m38 Buk-series missile. To what extent do both parts relate to missiles that were launched by BUK TELAR from the 53rd brigade,We can't say for sure yet."
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This material evidence can also be seen in the photo in the Reuters publication.
Questions that arise:
1. Where, when and who discovered this item? According to the logic of events, it should be within the area of the wreckage of the Boeing. The representatives of the DPR were the first to find the wreckage, and they handed them over along with the "black boxes". EMNIP, then foreign search engines came there. Without a history of the discovery of this object, such proof is worthless, no matter what version it "confirms".
2. According to the number, it is theoretically possible to determine who had this missile at the time of separation: Russia or Ukraine.
3. This is already a meme, but highly likely - this is a rocket of Ukraine, because at the time of the separation of the countries it was still fresh, and in 2014 it was already 28 years old! According to this post: The manufacturer-specified shelf life of the Buk missile is 15 years, after which irreversible and dangerous changes in chemical composition fuel." The warranty period of storage is 10 years. And it's been almost 30 years! Russia in the range of 2011-2014 re-equipped Buk systems with new missiles. And Ukraine in 2008 fired old Buk missiles and one of them exploded 1.5 minutes after the launcher left the ramp (link). A little more than 10 years have passed and rockets are already exploding abnormally. And after almost 30 years, who dares to shoot? Therefore, we return to question number 1: where did this artifact come from?
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The missile that shot down the Malaysian BoeingThe Boeing 777 operating flight MH17 was shot down over the Donbass on July 17, 2014 from a Buk launcher belonging to the Kursk 53rd air defense brigade of the Russian armed forces. This conclusion was made by the investigation team, which includes representatives of five countries. The Russian Defense Ministry once again denied the involvement of the Russian military in the plane crash.
A representative of the investigators at a press conference said that the Buk launcher, from which the plane was shot down, was accurately determined due to a number of its unique features. They were established on the basis of photo and video materials obtained, including from social networks.
"These characteristics actually serve as a kind of fingerprint of the rocket launcher," said Wilbert Paulissen, head of the central criminal investigation department of the Dutch national police.
"All the vehicles in the convoy that accompanied the missile system belonged to the Russian armed forces," he added.
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It also became known that the list of about 100 suspects, which was the investigation, has now been reduced to "a few dozen." However, the representative of the investigation team refused to name possible suspects, citing the interests of the investigation.
Image copyright BELLINGCATDuring the press conference, the investigators approached the witnesses - members of the brigade, their relatives and friends - with a request to provide information that would help the investigation.
The international investigation team includes representatives from the Netherlands, Australia, Malaysia, Belgium and Ukraine.
Image copyright EPA Image caption At a press conference, Dutch Attorney General Fred Westerbeke showed a fragment of the rocket that shot down the planeThe Russian military said Thursday they were not involved in the Boeing crash over Ukraine.
"The Russian Defense Ministry, both in the first hours after the tragedy and later, officially refuted the insinuation of the Ukrainian side about the alleged involvement of Russian military personnel in the catastrophe in the sky of Ukraine and brought the relevant evidence to the Dutch investigation team," the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.
Russia has provided exhaustive evidence pointing to the involvement of the Ukrainian crews of the Buk air defense missile system in the crash of the plane, the Russian military insists. They called on international investigators to rely on facts and testimonies, and not on data provided by the Security Service of Ukraine and the Bellingcat group.
Timeline of accusations
Earlier, the independent expert and journalistic group Bellingcat stated that the Buk air defense system belonged to the Russian 53rd brigade (namely, military unit No. 32406).
Back in February 2016, Bellingcat presented a publication about the sinking of the liner - "MH17: Potential suspects and witnesses from the 53rd anti-aircraft missile brigade."
Investigators claimed to have been able to determine the exact number of the self-propelled launcher of the Buk anti-aircraft missile system. "On July 17 and 18, 2014, a Buk self-propelled launcher number 332 of the Russian 53rd anti-aircraft missile brigade, based near the city of Kursk, was photographed and videotaped in eastern Ukraine," the publication said.
The report named by name all those who, according to Bellingcat, are responsible for making the decision and launching the rocket into a passenger plane: the brigade commander, the commander of the 2nd division, which could include the launcher. The commanders of batteries and crews are named by their first names and the first letters of their surnames.
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Since 2013, the 53rd brigade has been commanded by Colonel Sergei Muchkaev. He was born in Chelyabinsk region, and in 1997 he graduated from the St. Petersburg Higher Anti-Aircraft Missile School.
Colonel Muchkaev deleted his social media accounts after the publications of Bellingcat. In the public of military unit No. 32406 in social network"VKontakte" you can find photos of certificates of honor signed by Muchkaev, which are published by relatives of military personnel.
The death of MH17
The Boeing 777 crashed in the sky over eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014 at 16:20 local time. The aircraft was on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. On board were 298 people, all of them died. Most of the passengers on board were Dutch citizens.
Earlier, an international investigation team concluded that the airliner was shot down by a surface-to-air missile fired from the Buk anti-aircraft missile system near locality Snowy.
According to the findings of the investigation team, the Buk launcher from which the plane was shot down was delivered to Ukraine from Russia.
Moscow denies any involvement in the downing of MH17, putting forward various and often mutually exclusive versions about the fault of the Ukrainian military.
In September 2016, the Russian Ministry of Defense provided its data on the crash, stating that the Buk missile had not been fired from the Snizhne region, which was under the control of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic.
In October 2015, a similar version was put forward by the manufacturer of the Buk installations, the Almaz-Antey concern. Representatives of the concern insisted that the launch was carried out from the area of \u200b\u200bthe settlement of Zaroshchenskoe, which was controlled by Ukrainian troops.
At the same time, the Investigative Committee of Russia has repeatedly stated that it considers the launch of a surface-to-air missile by a Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force as a priority version of the disaster.
WILL NOT GO, WILL NOT PASS
Anticipating his, no doubt, curious factual material, the American journalist Patrick Lancaster said that he had been investigating the death of the tragic flight MH-17 for almost four years, and “more than anyone else worked at the crash site of the Boeing.” It really is. Patrick has been living in Donetsk for several years, married a local girl, and recently became a father.
After the "Joint Investigation Group" in Holland made public the probable route of the Buk anti-aircraft missile system, which allegedly arrived in Donbass via Lugansk, directly from the Russian military unit near Kursk, Patrick Lancaster, who knows the state of roads and bridges in the South-East Ukraine doubted this fact. The weight of the trailer on which the BUK was transported, the tractor and the weight of the Buk installation itself with four missiles easily folded, as a result, it turned out neither more nor less - 56.3 tons. It is difficult to transport such cargo on secondary roads. Most bridges in Donbass have a weight limit of 20-25 tons, 30 tons at best.
After the “Joint Investigation Group” in Holland made public the probable route of the Buk anti-aircraft missile system, which allegedly arrived in the Donbass through Lugansk, directly from the Russian military unit near Kursk, Patrick Lancaster, who knows the state of roads and bridges in the South-East Ukraine doubted this fact. The weight of the trailer on which the BUK was transported, the tractor and the weight of the Buk installation itself with four missiles easily folded, as a result, it turned out neither more nor less - 56.3 tons. It is difficult to transport such cargo on secondary roads. Most bridges in Donbass have a weight limit of 20-25 tons, 30 tons at best.
KP journalists, during the Debaltsevo operation, near Logvinovo, saw and filmed a Ukrainian T-72AV tank, which was trying to escape from the boiler along some regional highway, and collapsed into the river along with the bridge. Moreover, this bridge looked “reliable” - a covering of sleepers on a powerful channel, concrete supports, but it could not withstand 45 tons of tank weight.
The Ukrainian T-72AV tank tried to escape from the boiler along some regional highway, and collapsed into the river along with the bridge Photo: screenshot from Dmitry Steshin's video
NEITHER WEIGHT, NOR HEIGHT
In order not to be like Western “sofa” investigators, Patrick took with him bridge engineer Sergei, chief specialist of the department of artificial structures of the Ministry of Transport of the DPR (he comments on the video without hiding his face, but does not give his last name for a number of reasons) and went with him to the alleged Buk route.
We are located under the overpass near the city of Khartsizsk, near the traffic control post. The overpass has a weight limit of 30 tons and is in an unsatisfactory condition, because current repairs have been carried out for a very long time or have not been carried out at all. There are no bridges that could withstand such a load (more than 50 tons - ed.) in the district. In general, there are very, very few such bridges on the territory of the DPR.
The next point in the investigation of Patrick and Sergey: the overpass dam near ZUGRES, his Buk could not have passed either. Sergei reports a weight limit of 25 tons. Such structures are built with some tolerances exceeding their maximum load, but not more than twice, not 30 tons! The next overpass - the same limit - 25 tons, and another one - 24 tons.
Further, in the course of their field research, Patrick and Sergey find out one curious detail - the height of the Buk on the trailer is 4.7 meters, and on most of the bridges under which the trailer was supposed to pass there is a sign with a height limit of 4.5 meters . Theoretically, this difference of twenty centimeters can be tried to be eliminated by depressurizing the 12 tires of the trailer to a minimum. Then pump it back up if the wheels do not disassemble ... And in Perevalsk - the height of the bridge is 3.8 meters and the trailer will not pass under it, well, no way.
The beech that shot down the Boeing could not come from Russia.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FRONT
At the end of this journey along the route of the mythical Buk, the engineer sums up - "such a trip would require complex technical solutions and would take two or three weeks." And Patrick Lancaster notes that in the report of the JIT (“Joint Investigation Team”) it is not at all accidental that the probable route of the Buk is shown by an abstract arrow. Most likely, the SOU 9A310 SAM "Buk-M1" arrived at the position from a completely different side of the front line and the state border of Russia.
SININTER GUEST FROM DNIPR
"Buk" No. 312 came to Donbass from Dnepropetrovsk”, - says a blogger with the nickname White Mongol, in reality Pavel Gagalinsky. Declares and puts on the Web as many as 34 pictures of the notorious Buk. The pictures were taken at the so-called Yasinovatsky checkpoint of the AIM a few months before the tragedy - on March 17, 2014.
Pavel Gagalinsky posted pictures of the notorious Buk on the Web. The pictures were taken at the so-called Yasinovatsky DAI checkpoint
A day after the referendum in the Crimea. And a few days later, KP journalists drove through this post, having got out of Crimea by train and rented a car in Luhansk. This is the main entrance post to Donetsk, standing on a brand new highway going to Lugansk. Now, however, the front line passes through the place where the Buk was filmed, very close is the so-called Promka - a place of fierce battles recent years. And even the foundation is no longer left from the post of the AIM. But, in March 2014, it was relatively quiet there. Then we noticed that next to the "daishniks" there was another post - the first Donetsk rebels with St. George's ribbons stood on it. "Daishniks" were not against it. Actually, one of the picketers filmed this Buk, as well as the numbers of the trailer that transported anti-aircraft missile system.
Pyotr Gagalinsky believes this Buk arrived from Dnepropetrovsk. Geographically, the path is absurd. They do not go to Dnepropetrovsk through the Yasinovatsky post, there is a shorter road, only 250 kilometers. And, most likely, such a long route, through Gorlovka and Bakhmut, was chosen precisely because of the weight of the trailer and the installation of the air defense system itself.
That is, the Boeing was most likely shot from this Ukrainian Buk.
And it so happened that two seemingly different versions - Patrick and Peter, completely unrelated people, suddenly confirmed each other with a difference of a day. This is not an arrow drawn by JIT hacks on a Google map of Donbass.
Pyotr Gagalinsky believes this Buk arrived from Dnepropetrovsk
WHOSE LOGIC OF REINFORCED CONCRETE
It would be better if the Westerners, instead of disgracing themselves, getting out of their last strength, made public the data of the “black boxes” and closed this tragic topic with the MH17 flight. By the way, the flight recorders were handed over to international experts at the end of July 2014, and no one else saw or heard from them. And he doesn’t know what’s inside, although, as world practice shows, 99% of recorders survive in disasters and give out all the information without any problems in a day, a maximum of a week. Almost four years have passed, according to rumors, the contents of the "black boxes" for some reason undertook to decipher the UK, and is still doing this. In the meantime, these recorder data are not made public, journalists and bloggers have to investigate bridges and accidentally taken photos. Moreover, the Dutch “Joint Investigation Team” itself is also building its “evidence” on fragmentary stuffing and photoshopped pictures on social networks. And it does not take into account either the full-scale experiments of the Russian holding company Almaz-Antey, which produces Buks, or the radar data of the sky over the Donbass at the time of the tragedy, provided by the Russian side. Also, for some reason, the Ukrainian side was not requested to record the conversations of the air traffic controllers who turned the Boeing from the original route to the fatal one, nor data from the US space satellites, which, as the Americans themselves said, saw all movements in the conflict zone in Donbass. And most importantly, the “black boxes” of the Boeing are suspiciously silent ...
In this scenario, the investigations of an American journalist in the Donbass and a blogger from Facebook, the White Mongol, turn out to be much more weighty than the entire “evidence base” of the Dutch “Joint Investigation Group”. Because these investigations were at least made on the site of the tragedy, with reinforced concrete facts and logic, and not virtually and with an obvious political goal given to everyone.
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At the rehearsal of the parade dedicated to the 25th anniversary of the Independence of Ukraine, the country's air defense forces also participated, including the Buk-M1 complex, which, according to Kyiv, it does not even have in sight ...
Despite the statements of the Ukrainian military, who assured the West that they simply had nothing to shoot down the Malaysian Boeing - all air defense systems of Ukraine were sold to Georgia long ago, several Buk-M1 complexes passed through the center of the Ukrainian capital as if nothing had happened and S-300, as well as the Osa complexes.
UKRAINIAN MIRAGES
As the rehearsal of the military parade on Independence Day in Kyiv showed, Poroshenko decided to show the full power of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and brought samples of his latest technology (Soviet-style, of course) to Khreshchatyk. Among them are six anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) "Buk-M1". It was from these Buk aircraft that a Malaysian Boeing 777 was shot down in the sky over the village of Grabovo near the city of Torez.
And the announcer for the whole Khreshchatyk proudly announced:
“These anti-aircraft missile systems are ready to shoot down targets at altitudes up to 12 kilometers in conditions of strong radio interference!”
Thus, Kyiv's assurances that "he does not have serviceable Buk" turned out to be his usual nonsense.
Earlier, the authorities and the military of Ukraine have repeatedly been caught lying about the Buk: either on Ukrainian TV they showed tests of such air defense systems, or the adviser to the President of Ukraine Igor Smeshko swore in Brussels that there were no combat-ready Buk in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine:
“The last Ukrainian combat-ready division of the Buk-M anti-aircraft missile system with combat-ready units and missiles was sold to Georgia,” Smeshko assured.
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"LIES OF PURE WATER"
Kyiv's statement and the real situation about arming the Armed Forces of Ukraine anti-aircraft missile systems Alexander Yakimenko commented to ZhurPravda, retired lieutenant colonel, member public organization"Officers of Russia", expert of the Izborsk club. He is directly aware of the situation in the air defense of Ukraine, and in addition, in 2015 he himself visited the Donbass, in the Debaltseve region.
Oleksandr Yakimenko is convinced that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have BUKs:
“All those statements that the military leaders and the leadership of Ukraine used to make are lies. pure water. It was the Ukrainian "Buk" that shot down this "Boeing", which was argued and proved by Russian experts. Although they were not listened to in the West, and they refused to accept the results of their investigation.”
As for the statements of Petro Poroshenko’s adviser, Colonel General Igor Smeshko, the military expert called them “lies”:
“I would advise this adviser to go to the war zone in the Donbass, and after that make such statements. And since I was there, I know that there are Buki there. Although they are assembled from junk - that is, one, efficient one is assembled from several copies of the air defense system, ”Lt. Col. Yakimenko explained to ZhurPravda.
In Ukraine, they tested the repaired Buk-M1 complex, where, according to the assurances of the military, there are no such Buk!
Let me remind you that even a day before the Boeing 777 crash, the TV channel
Military experts note that Russia is once again making false statements.
Russia finally admitted that Malaysian Boeing hit by Buk missile, but at the same time blamed the Ukrainian side for the tragedy.
This version was voiced on June 2 at a press conference by representatives of the Almaz-Antey concern, the Russian manufacturer of the Buk missile systems.
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It seems that the representatives of the concern live in a parallel dimension, because there are many international investigations previously proved that the missile launch site was under the control of the separatists, and "Buk" was brought from Russia. Also online photos of "Buk" appeared, which is heading along the roads of Russia towards Ukraine.
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In addition, military experts contacted TSN.ua, note that Russia is once again making untrue statements, because in fact it owns the type of missiles, one of which shot down the plane, and the statements of the Russian side regarding the territory from which the missile was fired are not true.
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First, we have not yet heard a single word of truth from the Russian side. And while these vandals rule there, there will be no truth.
Secondly, an expert assessment was carried out by foreign experts (England, Germany, France). And there it was clearly stated that the plane was shot down from the territory controlled by pro-Russian militants, and shot down by a Russian Buk.
Thirdly, the launcher was clearly fixed, on which four missiles lay, and when they returned back, it was clearly visible that there were three missiles. That is, one rocket was launched precisely at this Boeing.
Fourthly, they say that they did not have such "Buks". They (I don't remember exactly how many) stole this Buk in the Crimea. By the way, they hit the plane from a new Buk (of the same series, but newer than we currently have in service). That is, it is possible - I especially emphasize this - that in order to confuse the situation, they could use the Buk from Crimea.
And the last. At that time, we practically did not shoot down aircraft. It was forbidden to use aircraft, so there was absolutely no need for us to shoot.
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In fact, these statements of the Russians are not surprising. Starting from what they said Boeing was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet- then this version was forgotten - and ending with today's statement. But there are conclusions of international experts who say that the plane was indeed shot down with the help of the Buk missile system, but nowhere is it said that this Buk was Ukrainian. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are armed with "Buks" of the M1 type, which were manufactured in the USSR. But the same "Buks" are in the Russian Federation - evidence of this are numerous photos of these complexes that lit up at the current parade May 9 in Moscow. On what grounds do the Russians claim that the Buk that shot down the Boeing is Ukrainian?
In addition, there are numerous materials that show the movement of the Russian "Buk" from Russia to Ukraine and back. For some reason, the Russians do not remember these materials.
Where the rocket was launched from is also established. There are three Western studies that say that the missile was launched from the territory controlled by the militants. Especially remember the negotiations of the terrorists, who recalled that they had blocked the plane. And where does all this evidence go?
The Boeing was shot down by a Buk, the Buk was brought in from the Russian Federation and then evacuated. This is confirmed by the research of experts, journalists and intercepted conversations between militants. Whatever the Russian side says now, it's hard to believe people who live in their own world.
Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777, flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was shot down over the Donbass on July 17, 2014.
Reuters, referring to photographs, videos and eyewitness accounts - local residents and militants - has established location of "Buk" on the day of the tragedy. According to the publication, the Buk was delivered on July 17 to the militant-controlled city of Snezhnoye, 7 km north of Krasny Oktyabr, and then taken away from the area some time later.
One of the locals said that the missile system was located in a field near the Krasny Oktyabr farm on the day the Boeing 777 hit the ground. This was confirmed by a former militant who fought as part of the Vostok separatist battalion and that day was not far from the farm.
Olga Skichko